Why Need 250 ohms resistor in HART protocol

J
Great that somebody made a video to prove the theory. Finally we can lay this topic to rest. You must have a resistance for the HART transmitter.

Note that for HART positioners you do not need the resistor

I did not watch the clip to the end, there is a minor detail in the beginning "T" in "HART" is transducer, not transmitter

Cheers,
Jonas
 
C
For the record

The HART Communication Application Guide,
HCF_LIT-039 Rev. 1.0 Preliminary
Date of Publication: March 25, 2010, on page 9, states

"A minimum loop impedance of 230 Ω is required for communication."

The character after the value 230 (above) is the Greek letter Omega for Ohm. Whether that character actually makes it to the forum's web page is iffy.

Document is publicly available here:
http://www.hartcomm.org/hcf/documents/appguide.pdf
 
the 250 ohm is required in loop to do the following:

hart communication is established by superimposing fsk signal of two tones 1200 and 2200 over the 4-20 ma. the amplitude of these signals is + or - 0.5 ma so the resistor is required to make voltage drop sufficient to be sensed by the hart master and slave. if we remove this resistor what happens is, the voltage across the terminals of the transmitter will remain constant 24 v. the hart and transmitter are connected in parallel so the only way to initiate or receive signals is to vary the voltage across the terminals of each others.
 
> Why do we need to include 250 ohms resistor in the loop while using HART protocol?

because of ohms law..

V = I * R..am i correct?
1v=4ma
2v=8ma
3v=12ma
4v=16ma
5v=20ma..ok
so what is the resistance?
1v=4ma*r
then r=1/4=0.25#250ohms
 
Yes, you need a 250 ohm resistor to get 1-5Vdc signal for an analog input, but that's not why HART requires 250 ohms.

When a transmitter is fired up on the workshop bench, the transmitter will light up and do its functions while connected directly to a suitable DC power supply with zero load in the loop [no resistor, 24Vdc across the xmtr (+) and (-)], that is, it's functional except for HART communications. HART comm will not function without at least 230 ohms in the loop.

The reason for this was explained in posts above and has to do with an impedance across which the FSK HART signal can develop and be detected, because the power supply acts as a low pass filter.

A workbench setup might or might not require a 1-5Vdc for something like calibration but HART definitely requires a minimum loop resistance.
 
hi

There are two things

1. 4- 20 ma signal

2. HART protocl

you need to look separately above two

HART protocol uses conventional 4-20 mA signal with digital information.

1. To achieve 4-20 mA, (DCS standard 1-5 VDC) you need 250 Ohm resistor irrespective of you are using HART protocol or not.

2. HART protocol based on 4-20 ma hence of course you need 250 ohm resistor to achieve this current.

so in first place, the basic purpose of 250 OHMS to achieve 4-20ma, then HART comes.

Pandu
 
You don't, but you do need something to create some impedance so the HART communications can pull the Voltage up and down.

Without some impedance the FSK signal would be shorted out. I'm sure 220 Ohms works just as well, a small choke would probably work better.
 
Dick,
You are correct of course,

What I was disputing is the need for 250 Ohms in the HART communications.

For instance you have a transmitter on the bench for calibration.
If you connect it directly across a 24Volt power supply it will be quite happy but you will not be able to communicate with it. You need some impedance so the HART can modulate the lines.
It doesn't have to be 250 Ohms for that.

Sometimes you strike inputs that use much lower voltage levels e.g. 0.2 - 1 Volt (50 Ohms), I'm not sure if HART will work with that in which case you can add another resistor in the loop.
250 Ohms will work of course but so will 100, 330, 270 or any other value thereabouts.
 
> Why do we need to include 250 ohms resistor in the loop while using HART protocol?

After reading all the posts and contributions for the reply of this question,i think the answer can be summed up into this,

The 250 ohms resistance in the loop serves two purpose :-
1) The HART Communicator communicates to the transmitter by FSK method.The capacitor in the power supply for the transmitter distorts this HART signal.Hence the resistor serves as an aid to get the signal back,for the communicator.

2) DCS,PLC needs voltage(1 to 5V) signal to understand the signal from the transmitter. The resistor again serves to convert this current signal into voltage signal for the DCS/PLC.

And last, but not least, the value of the resistor can be anything as long as it doesn't come in the way for supplying power to the transmitter and filtering out the HART signal.
 
Justin,
You summed it up pretty well but don't worry some people are hung up on the magic value of 250 Ohms.

I guess if they can't find a 250 Ohm resistor they just throw up their hands and give up. LOL

Roy
 
If I understand this thread, a current sink resistor of about 200 ohms is needed to allow the HART chip to send a digital signal on the wire pair. As it happens with a HART circuit, a precision 250 ohm resistor is typically required at the analog input terminations in order to get the 4-20 mA analog signal from the transmitter that is being sent to have a voltage drop of precisely 1-5 volts. That 250 ohm resistor, then is also functioning as the load resistor for the HART digital signal. As Roy says, if you don't care about the 4-20 mA signal, then you do not need a precision load resistor, but it is unusual to find a HART installation in which the 4-20 mA signal is not used.

Dick Caro
 
The issue of resistance in a HART loop typically arises when a new or replacement transmitter is fired up on the bench, not in the field where there's already a shunt/load resistor on the analog input.

On the bench, the tech connects power supply leads to the transmitter signal terminals and the transmitter fires up, regulating its output like it should.

Then the tech connects the leads from a HART communicator. The transmitter won't talk HART because the master's commands and the transmitters response, are filtered out by the power supply, effectively a low pass filter. There isn't enough resistance in the loop to develop a 'seeable' FSK HART signal.

The HART Foundation says a loop needs a minimum of 230 ohms. 240, 270, 300 and 333 ohms are standard resistance values. 250 ohm precision resistors abound in the process world. But zero ohms in a HART loop means no 'seeable' HART signal.

The other less frequent case is devices whose analog inputs use less than 250 ohms. I ran into a Precision Digital panel meter indicating flow from a DP transmitter the other day. The PD's input resistance was only 50 or 100 ohms. There was no HART signal until I broke the loop and inserted a resistor.
 
>because of ohms law..
>
>V = I * R..am i correct?
>1v=4ma
>2v=8ma
>3v=12ma
>4v=16ma
>5v=20ma..ok
>so what is the resistance?
>1v=4ma*r
>then r=1/4=0.25#250ohms

4ma = 0.004Amps not take 4 in the divisor value, so R = 1/0.004 = 250 ohms. Current take in terms of Ampere only not in milliamps.
 
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Sakthi venkatesh

Thank you all for giving me clear information about the use of 250ohm resister for the HART transmitter.

But I have one Doubt. If I connect 3 numbers of 9 volt battery in series with the HART transmitter, Does the transmitter sent HART signals to the communicator?

I have already done that as soon as this doubt came into my mind. The result is the communicator didn't receive HART signals, Why this is happening? its just a battery, Does the battery eat up the HART signals?
 
> Does the battery eat up the HART signals?

Yes, the 9 Volt battery is low impedance shorting out the FSK signal, you need some resistance to develop some signal Voltage, try a few different values in series e.g 220, 330, 470 Ohms and it will work.
With 3 x 9V batteries you have lots of options. You may find you can cut down to 2 x 9V Most transmitters give you a formula for calculating the maximum burden or loop resistance.

I have been trying to get people here not to fixate on 250 Ohms, that's only required if you need to pick off 1 - 5 Volts
 
hai friends
I was already search the result of this question and after i got the sufficient answer this is the answer that resistor is using only with the power supply but no need for the field because in that that power supply is contain the resistance. in our power supply's have capacitance that capacitance is kills the ac current from the HART communicator that's why we are putting the resistor.
 
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control.student

Hi all,

Can we summarise this (old) discussion as:

i. The resistance is necessary for Hart comm only and its value is approx 230 to 1000 ohms.

ii. The Tx calibration is for 4-20mA to reflect the measurement span and not in terms of voltage. Hence the bench calibration is unaffected by the resistance value.

iii. In service, the receiving instrument will most likely have a 250 ohm precision resistor. Hence we do not need to use a precision resistor during bench calibration, unless we are simultaneously bench calibrating the receiving instrument also.

Dick Caro's clarification about the need for a precision resistance was confusing. Hence I have tried to summarize it here.
 
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Mujahid Chougle

> Why do we need to include 250 ohms resistor in the loop while using HART protocol?

- Control Systems (i.e.PLC & DCS) Communicates only with Digital Signals.

4-20mA converted into voltage by using 250 ohm Resistor as DCS & PLC are accepting only voltage signal 1-5V.

In short,for setting the Communication between Field Instrument & Control System,need to convert the Analog Signal into Digital Signal & it is only possible via using 250⦠resistor in HART System.
Which will use to convert the Analog Signal (4-20mA) into Digital Signal.

For your understanding how it is works, Please find below Calculation.

For 4mA Analog Signal,
4mA*250â¦=1000mV=+-1VDC
For 20mA Analog Signal,
20mA*250â¦=5000mV=+-5VDC

So in this Ways 4-20mA Analog Signal converting into +-1-5VDC Digital Signal by using 250⦠resistor in HART System.
 
F

FICE - Instrumentation & Control Engg

Hello Guys,

Let us focus to original question,

"Why do we need to include 250 ohms resistor in the loop while using HART protocol?"

Simple Answer: To maintain the Loop impedance (230 ohms minimum) in order the HART communicator can communicate with Smart Devices.

Some answer, they said to convert the 4-20 mA into 1-5 VDC?

I agree on this, however is not the correct answer of the original question. 250 ohms resistor is already inside Analog Input Card of Host Controller to convert 1-5 V in which the processor inside AI card may read this signal. (Not part of the loop as I said it is inside the card)

I have a question?
If I put the HART communicator parallel to Smart devices, do you think the the HART reading is only 1-5V? I DON'T THINK SO....
 
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